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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #120 by Tom in Connecticut
Posted: August 24, 2010 at 16:22
Ronan, though I am not against supplements and vitamins, there is no alternative to DVT prevention for high risk patients other then anticoagulant medication.

Most of the trials conduct regarding Nattokinase were performed by the asian companies who produce it and the results were biased. Several U.S. companies who carry the product were told by the FDA to take any medical claims relating to blood clots off their labels due to no scientific evidence.

Some people believe in Natto, I'm not one of them.
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #121 by Ayla
Posted: September 2, 2010 at 19:47
I started taking nattokinase after I developed basilic vein thrombosis and painful 'cording' as a complication of surgery.My Doctor had told me that this may last for months.After suffering for a couple of weeks I started taking Nattokinase out of desperation. I thought it probably won't be any good, but why not try?
The problem resolved within 10 days!! Was it the placebo effect? would the problem have gone away even without taking Nattokinase ?I don't know the answers.I am glad I tried it.The scientist in me is reluctant to jump to conclusions. I didn't seem to get any side effects for what it's worth.
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #122 by Ayla
Posted: September 2, 2010 at 19:49
I started taking nattokinase after I developed basilic vein thrombosis and painful 'cording' as a complication of surgery.My Doctor had told me that this may last for months.After suffering for a couple of weeks I started taking Nattokinase out of desperation. I thought it probably won't be any good, but why not try?
The problem resolved within 10 days!! Was it the placebo effect? would the problem have gone away even without taking Nattokinase ?I don't know the answers.I am glad I tried it.The scientist in me is reluctant to jump to conclusions. I didn't seem to get any side effects for what it's worth.
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #123 by Ayla
Posted: September 2, 2010 at 19:51
I started taking nattokinase after I developed basilic vein thrombosis and painful 'cording' as a complication of surgery.My Doctor had told me that this may last for months.After suffering for a couple of weeks I started taking Nattokinase out of desperation. I thought it probably won't be any good, but why not try?
The problem resolved within 10 days!! Was it the placebo effect? would the problem have gone away even without taking Nattokinase ?I don't know the answers.I am glad I tried it.The scientist in me is reluctant to jump to conclusions. I didn't seem to get any side effects for what it's worth.
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #124 by Joan
Posted: September 6, 2010 at 15:44
Hi Alya

Which Nattokinase did you take? Where did you get your supply from and what dosage did you take?

I'm confused about all the different brands and the dosages!
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #125 by Steve
Posted: September 24, 2010 at 04:30
I have just started taking Nattokinase so I have no long term knowledge of the product. It was recommended by my GP, however I suspect it has trigged a gout attack. I may be drawing a long Bow but a byproduct of soy is lecithin which contains purines and can give gout to susceptible people. So, by association it is possible that Nattokinase can also give gout to susceptible people.
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #126 by Andy
Posted: November 1, 2010 at 19:51
I eat NATTO every morning. I understand that a lot of people in Japan eat this for
breakfast daily. I also understand that autoimmune hypothyroidism is common in Japan.
Eating natto also has healthy benefits.

How much Natto should I eat? Once every week? Once every other day?

Thanks so much.

Andy
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #127 by Mariel Strauss
Posted: June 12, 2011 at 03:06
Tanja, I have Polycythemia Vera, and have been taking low dose aspirin to thin
blood,
and can't take the "chemos" for this disease, so I started Natto a week ago. After
two low dose (very low) Natto capsules, I bled a little when having my weekly CBC
blood test, which I don't usually do, so I think it thinned my blood. If I am taking
Natto I think I must drop aspirin, so that's what I am doing until I talk to Hemo
next week. He probably will know nothng about Natto. PCP knew nothing but is
reading up on it.
she knows I am not a candidate for most chemos to lower platelets. I have a
phlebotomy every six to eight weeks to keep red cells low. I also have Porphyria,
so I react to many drugs, not all; have NOT reacted to low dose Natto, except to
"bleed" a little. My platelets are over a million, but I have not had a thrombus.
Have been on very low saturated fat diet for decades.
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #128 by Dharma
Posted: July 23, 2011 at 14:28
I started taking Nattokinase almost one month ago and wanted to report the results. I am one lovenox for a dvt that occurred in my left leg one year ago. I decided to start nattokinase because I realized that the clot, which has completely occluded my left iliac vein, was not going to dissolve on it's own.

Since taking nattokinase my lower leg as returned to almost pre-dvt condition. All the swelling is gone. My upper thigh area is still swollen but my overall leg feels much better and the color is almost the same as my other leg. I am going to continue taking nattokinase in the hopes that it will continue to dissolve the old clot. I wish I had of taken nattokinase from day one.

Sharon has your leg improved any further since your last posting?

Another result worth mentioning is that besides my leg improving I feel better in general since starting nattokinase. I have more energy and just feel in better overall health. It's a great product and unless I hear that it is unsafe will probably take Nattokinase for life.




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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #129 by Robert MacElvain
Posted: September 11, 2011 at 21:51

After 60 years of unsuccessful attempts to home-culture nattokinase, I now consume live natto concentrate as a daily staple, probably 100x or more the quantity consumed by the most natto-addicted Japanese.

The only adverse side effect I've noticed is that my blood has become so thin that the slightest body bump against furniture, door jams, etc. causes bruises to my body (blood blisters), especially my arms.

It has been suggested to me that this overly-thin blood condition could result in fatal internal bleeding.

I wish to learn if this symptom has been noticed by anybody else?
And if so, what is the suggested maximum safe daily consumption of Nattokokinase?

macelvain@gmail.com



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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #130 by michael
Posted: December 28, 2011 at 16:17
I am suppose to keep my INR at 2-3 due to recent massive PE's. On a recent trip to hawaii I ate significant amonts of natto every other day while maintaining my warfarin. Upon returning home I found my INR had dropped to 1.1. I am suspecting this was due to the high amoung of K2 in whole natto. Any ideas?
noach2343@aol.com
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #131 by Bard
Posted: April 29, 2012 at 05:27
I Was diagnosed with a DVT in April of 2011. My doctor put me on lovenox and
coumadin. I went to a naturopath when I found out what the side effects of the
coumain were. He put me on nattokinase by Douglas laboratories, cayenne
pepper fron Standard Process and a bunch of nutrients that helped my system
because of what the Coumadin did to me. I took both the Coumadin and the herbs
for over 8 months. Last week, I went to an ultrasound specialist who told me that
my clot is gone. Coumadin doesn't work that fast. My last clot stayed around for
years after I got off of the Coumadin. It works. Douglas laboratories nattosyn has
50 mg of nattokinase in it. It is safer than the high g dose products on the market.
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #132 by Christel
Posted: April 29, 2012 at 12:56
Your info is very interesting and it's good to hear that you are so much better. Can I ask you what were the main side effects for you taking Coumadin? Also..... when you started taking the herbs and Coumadin what were the differences regarding the side effects? Did you discuss this with your doctor? It would be good to hear from you. Many thanks.
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #133 by David
Posted: June 13, 2012
My mother turned 85 in February. She was diagnosed with osteoporosis
in about 1995, hereditary in her case and not from any drug abuse,
alcohol, or smoking because she never did any of that. She was also
diagnosed with hypertension back in the late 1960s. Doctors have
changed her blood pressure medications various times over the years.
They have also had her on Fosamax for the osteoporosis for over 15
years! In March, she was diagnosed with avascular necrosis in her
right hip and had a total replacement on April 17. In the pre-surgery
testing, she was also diagnosed with atrial fibrillation. After her
surgery she was prescribed Coumadin. She could not sleep. Two other
extended family members had experienced the same side effect on
Coumadin, but all doctors we talked to had never heard of it. While
all of this was going on, her doctor had also had her on over 775% of
the daily recommendation of vitamin D for over a year. Post-surgery
testing of her heart revealed two valves not working properly and
leaking somewhat. Plus some arterial blockage, 20% in one side and 50%
in the other. She had been on Lotrel and Ziac. They switched from Ziac
to Bisoprolol and Lisinopril and kept the Lotrel. They switched from
Coumadin to Pradaxa. She was on Pradaxa for only 4 days, was
discharged from the hospital yesterday, but I had to rush her back to
the hospital this morning because of sudden widespread petechiae. They
immediately stopped the Pradaxa and sent her back home saying to take
325mg of enteric coated aspirin until visiting a cardiologist later
this week. My wife and I have been researching all of this. We believe
, according to what we have discovered, that the Fosamax, combined
with the dangerously high amount of vitamin D, caused the bone
necrosis, the atrial fibrillation, and the arterial blockage. The
doctor had also had her on calcium, which we have learned inhibits the
absorption of Fosamax. The Fosamax is only 1% absorbed to begin with,
so she was evidently getting 0 benefits from the Fosamax, but all of
its damaging side effects. We are planning legal action against her
doctor and the manufacturer of Fosamax. Complicating matters further,
we have found that Ziac, Lotrel, and Lisinopril can all cause atrial
fibrillation. So, it would seem that the doctors have been adding to
that from all directions. A report from afibbers.org says that aspirin
can actually cause more harm than good also.

The question that I have here is this: With the long-standing
hypertension and the recently diagnosed atrial fibrillation, I am
wondering if the hypertension drugs can be eliminated and Nattokinase
used instead? The version with the vitamin K removed? If so, what
would be the most beneficial dosage to take on a daily basis? We were
told that in her individual case, from test results, her stroke risk
is 6%. We want to prevent a stroke, but we also want to prevent any
kind of bleeding event.

Thanks for any help....we really need it at this point!
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #134 by David
Posted: June 14, 2012
We have just found out that the best thing to do is NOT Nattokinase.
It is actually the following:

Calcium & Magnesium Citrate
2:1 ratio
Plus Vitamin D

All together in easily absorbed liquid form, to
take care of ALL of the following:

Hypertension
Atrial Fibrillation
Osteoporosis
Hay Fever and related allergies (We found out that Magnesium is a
natural antihistamine.)

MOST people do not get anywhere near enough magnesium in their diets,
especially in the form that is necessary for proper absorption and it
is VITAL for many things to do with maintaining health.

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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #135 by David
Posted: June 14, 2012
We have just found out that the best thing to do is NOT Nattokinase.
It is actually the following:

Calcium & Magnesium Citrate
2:1 ratio
Plus Vitamin D

All together in easily absorbed liquid form, to
take care of ALL of the following:

Hypertension
Atrial Fibrillation
Osteoporosis
Hay Fever and related allergies (We found out that Magnesium is a
natural antihistamine.)

MOST people do not get anywhere near enough magnesium in their diets,
especially in the form that is necessary for proper absorption and it
is VITAL for many things to do with maintaining health.

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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #136 by Ardhi
Posted: June 27, 2012 at 08:53

Could Nattokinase be taken with warfarin and Arixtra (fondaparinux) for DVT..? Is there any side effect..? Thank you..
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #137 by Chris
Posted: July 2, 2012 at 03:04
Nattokinase is a factor Xa inhibitor as is arixtra. Generally speaking it appears
from the research I've seen (look on the NIH web site) hat nattokinase at a dosage
of 6,00o F/u (generally around 200 grams of natto food) lowers your Xa factor by
about 20% to 30% of what is considered therapeutic on a LMWH like Arixtra. Eg
ou run a higher risk of bleeding on both. I had my Xa levels checked and was
actually too high, working with my dr we trimmed back my dose. I have found that
Natto does work for me however I do get stomach upset. You want to find enteric
coated nattokinase otherwise your stomach will degrade it before it can do you
any good.
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #138 by Leslie
Posted: August 20, 2012 at 01:45
I had a total knee replacement in December of 2011, which resulted in a blood clot of my thigh. I was placed on warfarin for six months. After being off for a couple of months, I noticed increased pain in my feet, lower leg and thigh. My doc ordered an ultrasound which was negative for blood clot, but said that my blood test (d-dimer) indiated increased activity. So he prescribed Warfarin. A week into it and I can hardly move my body due to the pain in muscles and joints. I say it's from the Warfarin, my doc doesn't agree. But he told me to get off it and we can try aspirin therapy. My research says that aspirin therapy can be used with some problems but not DVT of the leg. My question: Can I used the Warfarin in smaller doses along with the Nattokinase? Have any of you tried the combination and do I still receive regular INR monitoring? Thanks so much
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Re: Nattokinase
Reply #139 by Chris
Posted: August 20, 2012 at 02:04
Nattokinase will up your stroke risk a bit. When i take it, it increases my factor Xa
inhibition levels slightly. Meaning that I have to adjust my lovenox dosage
downwards a little bit to remain safe.

Having said that, I would suggest you reman on anticoagulants for a while
longer. Try xarelto or even lovenox. I take lovenox AND aspirin. Possibly try
adding Lipitor as I do.that will reduce inflammation which helps dvt to resolve
and not reoccur. I wouldn't bother personally with a low dose of warfarin, inr
swings so much in a typical patient it's unlikely to do much good. By the way the
studies on using aspirin alone to prevent reoccurrent dvt indicate that it's just
not very good at it. You need a real anticoagulant if youve already had a clot.
Best of luck to you
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